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Jean-Luc Vannier: “H\u0259r add\u0131mda, h\u0259r qar\u015f\u0131la\u015fd\u0131\u011f\u0131m m\u0259nz\u0259r\u0259d\u0259 ölk\u0259nizin sür\u0259tli inki\u015fafda oldu\u011funu rahatl\u0131qla mü\u015fahid\u0259 ed\u0259 bilir\u0259m”<\/strong><\/p>\n

Frans\u0131z psixoanalitiki Jean-Luc Vannier il\u0259 müsahib\u0259<\/em><\/p>\n

Jean-Luc Vannier Frans\u0131z psixoanalitikidir. Klinisist v\u0259 professor assistenti (Nice d\u0259 yerl\u0259\u015f\u0259n Côte d'Azur Universiteti) kimi çal\u0131\u015f\u0131r. O h\u0259mçinin, EDHEC Business School v\u0259 IPAG Business School-da psixologiya v\u0259 psixoanaliz üzr\u0259 d\u0259rs deyir. Sorbonna Universitetinin m\u0259zunudur. Beyruta (Livana) köçm\u0259mi\u015fd\u0259n \u0259vv\u0259l o Parisd\u0259 Freyd psixoanalitikas\u0131 il\u0259 m\u0259\u015f\u011ful olmu\u015fdur. Beyrutda uzun ill\u0259r Beyrut Psixiatriya X\u0259st\u0259xanas\u0131nda v\u0259 \u015f\u0259h\u0259r u\u015faq klinikas\u0131nda r\u0259hb\u0259rlik v\u0259 t\u0259liml\u0259r h\u0259yata keçirmi\u015fdir. Frans\u0131z-Livan Psixoanalitikl\u0259r Assosasiyas\u0131n\u0131n üzvüdür, münt\u0259z\u0259m olaraq Fransa icmallar\u0131 üçün m\u0259qal\u0259l\u0259r yaz\u0131r .<\/p>\n

– Bir frans\u0131z elm adam\u0131n\u0131n gözü il\u0259 Bak\u0131 nec\u0259 bir \u015f\u0259h\u0259rdir?<\/strong>
\n\"\"– \u018fvv\u0259lc\u0259 bel\u0259 bir müsahib\u0259ni t\u0259\u015fkil etdiyiniz v\u0259 bel\u0259 bir müsahib\u0259ni m\u0259nd\u0259n ald\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z üçün t\u0259\u015f\u0259kkür edir\u0259m. Bak\u0131n\u0131 t\u0259k frans\u0131z elm adam\u0131n\u0131n gözü il\u0259 deyil, ümumiyy\u0259tl\u0259 yeni m\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259tl\u0259r\u0259, yeni insanlar\u0131 tan\u0131ma\u011fa, yeni \u015f\u0259h\u0259rl\u0259ri k\u0259\u015ff etm\u0259y\u0259 mara\u011f\u0131 olan bir insan\u0131n gözü il\u0259 qiym\u0259tl\u0259ndirm\u0259y\u0259 v\u0259 öz mü\u015fahid\u0259l\u0259rimi sizinl\u0259 bölü\u015fm\u0259y\u0259 çal\u0131\u015faca\u011fam. Tam s\u0259mimi deyir\u0259m ki, sözün yax\u015f\u0131 m\u0259nas\u0131nda Bak\u0131n\u0131 v\u0259 az\u0259rbaycanl\u0131lar\u0131 bel\u0259 gözl\u0259mirdim. H\u0259r add\u0131mda, h\u0259r qar\u015f\u0131la\u015fd\u0131\u011f\u0131m m\u0259nz\u0259r\u0259d\u0259 ölk\u0259nizi sür\u0259tli inki\u015fafda oldu\u011funu rahatl\u0131qla mü\u015fahid\u0259 ed\u0259 bilir\u0259m. H\u0259tta, insanlar\u0131n s\u0131xl\u0131q yaratd\u0131\u011f\u0131 küç\u0259l\u0259r bel\u0259, avtomobil t\u0131xaclar\u0131 bel\u0259 bu \u015f\u0259h\u0259rin daimi inki\u015faf dinamikas\u0131nda oldu\u011funu hiss etdirir. H\u0259r t\u0259r\u0259fd\u0259 köhn\u0259 binalar\u0131n t\u0259miri v\u0259 yeni tikintil\u0259rin olmas\u0131 xüsusil\u0259 xo\u015fuma g\u0259ldi.<\/p>\n

– Bak\u0131da neç\u0259 gün qald\u0131n\u0131z v\u0259 g\u0259zm\u0259k imkan\u0131n\u0131z oldumu?<\/strong>
\n– Bak\u0131da olma\u011f\u0131m\u0131n 6-c\u0131 günüdür. C\u0259nab Fariz S\u0259m\u0259dov t\u0259r\u0259find\u0259n t\u0259\u015fkil olunmu\u015f psixoanalizl\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 beyn\u0259lxalq konfransa d\u0259v\u0259t olunmu\u015fdum. H\u0259mçinin “G\u0259nc Psixoloqlar” birliyinin s\u0259dri, c\u0259nab Orxan Oruczad\u0259 t\u0259r\u0259find\u0259n g\u0259nc psixoloqlarla görü\u015f\u0259 d\u0259v\u0259t edilmi\u015fdim. H\u0259mçinin, Ma\u015fta\u011fada yerl\u0259\u015f\u0259n 1 sayl\u0131 Respublika Psixiatrik x\u0259st\u0259xanas\u0131 v\u0259 \u015f\u0259h\u0259r m\u0259rk\u0259zin\u0259 yax\u0131n yerl\u0259\u015f\u0259n öz\u0259l x\u0259st\u0259xanalar\u0131n biri il\u0259 tan\u0131\u015f olmaq imkan\u0131m oldu. Proqram bir az intensiv idi, lakin bir psixoanalitik kimi daimi mü\u015fahid\u0259l\u0259r aparmaq v\u0259rdi\u015fim d\u0259 var. Dey\u0259 bilm\u0259r\u0259m ki, \u015f\u0259h\u0259rl\u0259 tamamil\u0259 tan\u0131\u015f olmu\u015fam, dey\u0259 bilm\u0259r\u0259m ki, m\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259tinizl\u0259 tam yax\u0131ndan tan\u0131\u015f olmu\u015fam. Amma psixoanalitik olma\u011f\u0131m köm\u0259k edir, h\u0259r saniy\u0259 apard\u0131\u011f\u0131m mü\u015fahid\u0259l\u0259rim \u0259sas\u0131nda \u015f\u0259h\u0259riniz, insanlar\u0131n\u0131z v\u0259 m\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259tiniz haqq\u0131nda ümumi bir t\u0259\u0259ssürat\u0131m olur.<\/p>\n

– B\u0259s bir psixoanalitik gözü il\u0259 Bak\u0131n\u0131, az\u0259rbaycanl\u0131lar\u0131 v\u0259 m\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259timizi nec\u0259 qiym\u0259tl\u0259ndirirsiniz? <\/strong>
\n– Maraql\u0131 suald\u0131r. B\u0259z\u0259n pe\u015f\u0259miz m\u0259cbur edir ki, mü\u015fahid\u0259l\u0259rimizi tamamil\u0259 ba\u015fqa yönd\u0259n quraq v\u0259 \u015f\u0259h\u0259rin adi gözl\u0259 görün\u0259 bilm\u0259y\u0259n c\u0259h\u0259tl\u0259rini gör\u0259 bil\u0259k. Bak\u0131da qon\u015fu ölk\u0259l\u0259rin, y\u0259ni Rusiya v\u0259 \u0130ran\u0131n cüzi tarixi t\u0259sirl\u0259rinin fonunda öz kimliyin\u0259, m\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259tin\u0259, tarixin\u0259, milli d\u0259y\u0259rl\u0259rin\u0259 sadiqlik v\u0259 inki\u015faf dinamikas\u0131n\u0131 bu d\u0259y\u0259rl\u0259r üz\u0259rind\u0259 qurmaq ist\u0259yini aç\u0131q a\u015fkar mü\u015fahid\u0259 etm\u0259k mümkündür. Bo\u015f vaxtlar\u0131m\u0131n birind\u0259 \u0259yl\u0259\u015fdiyim kafed\u0259 iki h\u0259v\u0259skar musiqiçinin Az\u0259rbaycan mu\u011fam\u0131 il\u0259 caz musiqisini sintezini nec\u0259 h\u0259v\u0259sl\u0259 ifa etdikl\u0259rini gördüm. Bu m\u0259nim üçün sizin g\u0259ncl\u0259rin öz d\u0259y\u0259rl\u0259rinizi qoruyub saxlamaqla müasir dövrd\u0259 inki\u015fafa olan meylini simvoliz\u0259 etdi.<\/p>\n

– \u018fvv\u0259l qeyd etdiyiniz kimi,  Bak\u0131da psixologiya elmi v\u0259 psixoloji xidm\u0259tl\u0259 tan\u0131\u015f olmaq imkan\u0131n\u0131z oldu. Bu sah\u0259nin v\u0259ziyy\u0259tini nec\u0259 qiym\u0259tl\u0259ndirirsiniz?<\/strong>
\n– Dü\u015fünür\u0259m ki, bu sah\u0259 d\u0259, ölk\u0259d\u0259ki dig\u0259r sah\u0259l\u0259r kimi inki\u015faf etm\u0259kd\u0259dir. Xüsusil\u0259, g\u0259nc psixoloqlarla görü\u015fd\u0259, onlar\u0131n yeni biliy\u0259 nec\u0259 h\u0259v\u0259sl\u0259 yana\u015fd\u0131qlar\u0131n\u0131 hiss etdim. T\u0259s\u0259vvür edirsinizmi, h\u0259ft\u0259nin bazar günü ax\u015fam saatlar\u0131nda m\u0259niml\u0259 t\u0259\u015fkil olunmu\u015f görü\u015f\u0259 30-a yax\u0131n g\u0259nc g\u0259lmi\u015fdi. Bu m\u0259nim üçün böyük bir göst\u0259rici idi. \u0130stirah\u0259t günü olmas\u0131na baxmayaraq 2 saat yorulmadan m\u0259ni dinl\u0259dil\u0259r, maraql\u0131 suallar verdil\u0259r. \u018fmin\u0259m ki, yax\u0131n g\u0259l\u0259c\u0259kd\u0259 bu sah\u0259d\u0259 d\u0259 ciddi u\u011furlar\u0131n\u0131z olacaq.<\/p>\n

– Psixoanaliz elmi il\u0259 m\u0259\u015f\u011fulsunuz, bilm\u0259k ist\u0259rdik nec\u0259 fikirl\u0259\u015firsiniz, bu sah\u0259nin yarad\u0131c\u0131s\u0131 olan Freydd\u0259n bu gün\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r bu sah\u0259d\u0259  n\u0259l\u0259r d\u0259yi\u015fib. Psixoanalitik bax\u0131\u015fdan baxsaq müasir texnoloji inki\u015faf\u0131n insanlar\u0131n psixikas\u0131na hans\u0131 t\u0259sirl\u0259ri olur?<\/strong>
\n– Bu sual bütün psixoanalitikl\u0259r t\u0259r\u0259find\u0259n dü\u015fünül\u0259n v\u0259 konfranslarda müzakir\u0259 olunan suallardan biridir. \u015e\u0259xs\u0259n m\u0259nim bax\u0131\u015f\u0131ma gör\u0259 müasir texnoloji inki\u015faf öz m\u0259nfi v\u0259 müsb\u0259t t\u0259sirl\u0259rini göst\u0259rir. Bir çox kolleqalar\u0131m da, m\u0259n d\u0259 dü\u015fünürük ki, b\u0259z\u0259n psixoanalizd\u0259n kommersiya m\u0259qs\u0259di il\u0259 istifad\u0259 olunmas\u0131 heç da do\u011fru istiqam\u0259t deyil. Sözsüz ki, psixoanaliz elmi müasir inki\u015fafa göz yumub, ilkin t\u0259m\u0259ll\u0259ri üz\u0259rind\u0259 d\u0259 qala bilm\u0259z. M\u0259s\u0259l\u0259n, Bak\u0131da bu gün, maraql\u0131 bir yer ç\u0131xd\u0131 qar\u015f\u0131ma, üz\u0259rin\u0259 virtual s\u0259yah\u0259t yaz\u0131lm\u0131\u015fd\u0131. Diqq\u0259timi ç\u0259kdiyi üçün, iç\u0259ri daxil oldum v\u0259 bir q\u0259d\u0259r \u0259trafl\u0131 tan\u0131\u015f oldum. \u0130nsanlar gözl\u0259rin\u0259 geydikl\u0259ri xüsusi avadanl\u0131qla ba\u015fqa bir al\u0259m\u0259 virtual s\u0259yah\u0259t edirdil\u0259r. Bu s\u0259yah\u0259t h\u0259m qorxu, h\u0259m sevinc, h\u0259m stress, h\u0259m xo\u015fb\u0259xtlik hissl\u0259ri yarada bilir. Amma bunlar\u0131n heç biri t\u0259bii yolla ba\u015f vermir. Freydd\u0259n bu gün\u0259 d\u0259yi\u015f\u0259n m\u0259qamlar da m\u0259hz bu cür m\u0259qamlard\u0131r. \u0130nsanlar virtual hissl\u0259ri getdikc\u0259 özl\u0259ri üçün adil\u0259\u015fdirirl\u0259r v\u0259 bu özlüyünd\u0259 d\u0259rin psixoloji bir prosesdir. Bu dünyan\u0131n h\u0259r yerind\u0259 bel\u0259dir. M\u0259n g\u0259ncl\u0259rl\u0259, yeniyetm\u0259l\u0259rl\u0259 i\u015fl\u0259yir\u0259m. Freydin bax\u0131\u015f\u0131 il\u0259 baxsaq, insanlar\u0131n daxili yarad\u0131c\u0131 enerjil\u0259ri (libido) müasir inki\u015fafa s\u0259b\u0259b oldu. Ancaq, müasir g\u0259ncl\u0259r öz yarad\u0131c\u0131 enerjil\u0259rind\u0259n s\u0259brl\u0259 istifad\u0259 etm\u0259yi bacarm\u0131rlar. H\u0259r \u015feyi d\u0259rhal \u0259ld\u0259 etm\u0259k ist\u0259yirl\u0259r. Yeni smartfonlar, yeni avtomobill\u0259r, yeni paltarlar – müasir insanlar\u0131n bu ehtiras\u0131 çox sür\u0259tli v\u0259 s\u0259brsizdir.<\/p>\n

– Az\u0259rbaycanda son zamanlar psixoloqlara müraci\u0259t v\u0259 psixoloji xidm\u0259t almaq ist\u0259yi çoxal\u0131b. Sizc\u0259 bu n\u0259 il\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131d\u0131r? \u0130nsanlar\u0131n stress v\u0259ziyy\u0259timi çoxal\u0131r, yoxsa psixoloji xidm\u0259t insanlara daha çox t\u0259klif olunur? Nec\u0259 izah etm\u0259k olar bunu?<\/strong>
\n– Dü\u015fünür\u0259m ki, bütün c\u0259miyy\u0259tl\u0259rd\u0259 t\u0259xmin\u0259n eyni cür c\u0259r\u0259yan edir. \u0130nsanlar getdikc\u0259 öz emosiyalar\u0131n\u0131, hiss v\u0259 dü\u015fünc\u0259l\u0259rini öz do\u011fmalar\u0131 il\u0259 bölü\u015fm\u0259kd\u0259n ç\u0259kinirl\u0259r. Dinamik h\u0259yat t\u0259rzi h\u0259r k\u0259si öz probleml\u0259ri il\u0259 ba\u015f ba\u015fa burax\u0131r. Bu is\u0259 insanlar\u0131n getdikc\u0259 öz do\u011fmalar\u0131 il\u0259 d\u0259rdl\u0259rini, dü\u015fünc\u0259l\u0259rini bölü\u015fm\u0259k v\u0259rdi\u015fini itirm\u0259sin\u0259 s\u0259b\u0259b olur. Bel\u0259 halda is\u0259, pe\u015f\u0259karlara ehtiyac yaran\u0131r. Eyni zamanda, pe\u015f\u0259karlar, y\u0259ni psixoloqlar, psixoanalitikl\u0259r, insanlar\u0131n dü\u015fünc\u0259l\u0259rini, davran\u0131\u015flar\u0131n\u0131 öz bax\u0131\u015f buca\u011f\u0131 il\u0259 t\u0259nqid etmir, n\u0259yi düzgün, n\u0259yi s\u0259hv etdiyini söyl\u0259mir, ona gör\u0259 d\u0259 insanlar onlar\u0131 tam \u015f\u0259kild\u0259, duy\u011fu v\u0259 dü\u015fünc\u0259l\u0259rin\u0259 hörm\u0259tl\u0259 yana\u015facaq t\u0259rzd\u0259 dinl\u0259y\u0259n insanlara üstünlük verm\u0259y\u0259 ba\u015flay\u0131r.<\/p>\n

– Psixoloji xidm\u0259t Az\u0259rbaycanda yeni sah\u0259 oldu\u011fu üçün, b\u0259z\u0259n insanlar ehtiyaclar\u0131 olsa bel\u0259, psixoloji xidm\u0259t almaqdan ç\u0259kinirl\u0259r. Psixoloji xidm\u0259t alma\u011f\u0131 özl\u0259rin\u0259 ay\u0131b hesab edirl\u0259r. Sizc\u0259 bu proses n\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r davam ed\u0259c\u0259k? Psixoloji xidm\u0259td\u0259n yararlanma\u011f\u0131n c\u0259miyy\u0259td\u0259 bir m\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259t\u0259 çevrilm\u0259si n\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r müdd\u0259t t\u0259l\u0259b edir?<\/strong>
\n– Bilirsiniz, bu t\u0259k Bak\u0131da bel\u0259 deyil, h\u0259tta Fransada m\u0259nim ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131m \u015f\u0259h\u0259rd\u0259 bel\u0259, psixoanalitik oldu\u011fumu öyr\u0259n\u0259n insanlar, m\u0259nim d\u0259lil\u0259rl\u0259 i\u015fl\u0259diyimi dü\u015fünür v\u0259 b\u0259z\u0259n bunu xüsusi istehza il\u0259 ifad\u0259 edirl\u0259r. Bu h\u0259r yerd\u0259 bel\u0259dir v\u0259 bu insanlar\u0131n önyarq\u0131l\u0131 davranmas\u0131n\u0131n \u0259n bariz nümun\u0259sidir. Bu h\u0259m d\u0259 bir müdafi\u0259 mexanizmidir. Kim\u0259s\u0259 d\u0259li dem\u0259kl\u0259, insan \u0259slind\u0259 özünün d\u0259li olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 göst\u0259rm\u0259k ist\u0259yir. \u0130nsanlar var ki, nevrozdan \u0259ziyy\u0259t ç\u0259k\u0259-ç\u0259k\u0259 ya\u015fay\u0131rlar, i\u015fl\u0259yirl\u0259r, ail\u0259 qururlar, valideyn olurlar v\u0259 dünyadan köçürl\u0259r. Amma heç vaxt psixoloji xidm\u0259td\u0259n faydalanma\u011f\u0131 özl\u0259rin\u0259 yara\u015fd\u0131rm\u0131rlar. Bu da özünün psixi sa\u011flam oldu\u011funu sübut etm\u0259k ehtiras\u0131ndan ir\u0259li g\u0259lir. Bu sad\u0259 psixoloji mexanizm dünyan\u0131n h\u0259r yerind\u0259 t\u0259xmin\u0259n eyni cür ba\u015f verir. Fransada, kims\u0259 \u0259lind\u0259 b\u0131çaqla sakit bir \u015f\u0259kild\u0259 g\u0259zs\u0259, \u0259n pis halda onun hans\u0131sa psixoloji ç\u0259tinliyi oldu\u011funu dü\u015fün\u0259c\u0259k, amma eyni adam birc\u0259 d\u0259f\u0259 “Allahu-\u0259kb\u0259r” k\u0259lm\u0259sini dilin\u0259 g\u0259tirs\u0259 d\u0259rhal ham\u0131 onun terrorçu oldu\u011funu dü\u015fün\u0259c\u0259k. Bu \u0259n sad\u0259 nümun\u0259dir ki, insanlar ba\u015fqalar\u0131na önyarq\u0131lar\u0131 il\u0259, yanl\u0131\u015f mühakim\u0259 v\u0259 t\u0259l\u0259sik qiym\u0259tl\u0259ndirm\u0259l\u0259ri il\u0259 yana\u015f\u0131rlar. \u018fslind\u0259, siz jurnalistl\u0259rin bel\u0259 mövzular\u0131 bu \u015f\u0259kild\u0259 qabartmalar\u0131, insanlar\u0131n bu istiqam\u0259td\u0259 maarifl\u0259nm\u0259sin\u0259 ciddi t\u0259sir ed\u0259 bil\u0259r.<\/p>\n

Könül \u018fhm\u0259dova<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Jean-Luc Vannier: “H\u0259r add\u0131mda, h\u0259r qar\u015f\u0131la\u015fd\u0131\u011f\u0131m m\u0259nz\u0259r\u0259d\u0259 ölk\u0259nizin sür\u0259tli inki\u015fafda oldu\u011funu rahatl\u0131qla mü\u015fahid\u0259 ed\u0259 bilir\u0259m” Frans\u0131z psixoanalitiki Jean-Luc Vannier il\u0259 müsahib\u0259 Jean-Luc Vannier Frans\u0131z psixoanalitikidir. Klinisist v\u0259 professor assistenti (Nice…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":251278,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[94],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-64380","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-musahibe"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ucnoqta.az\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/64380","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ucnoqta.az\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ucnoqta.az\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ucnoqta.az\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ucnoqta.az\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=64380"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/ucnoqta.az\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/64380\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ucnoqta.az\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/251278"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ucnoqta.az\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=64380"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ucnoqta.az\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=64380"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ucnoqta.az\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=64380"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}